Many true believers — and a few misguided sheep of the flock — have written to us here at the International Square Earth Society over the years. It would be wrong of me to hide their light under a bushel. So, I've collected the comments that we have received and put them together in this "mailbag page."
The texts and spelling within the letters below appear exactly as they were sent to us, sometimes even with the same formatting. The names of the senders, though, have been X'ed out to protect their identities from the One World Government. (You never know who's out to suppress THE TRUTH!)
Earlier archived mailbags:
Okay, so you're wack job page is kind... of disturbing?
First you are telling good, perfectly sane, and honest people that they are going to hell.
Is it honestly your call if someone is to go to heaven, or is it GOD's choice?
Oh, and I've already destroyed the Flat Earth Society morons.
Their rubber ball theory is ignorant of the most well known force on a ROUND earth, gravity.
They said that sand would fall off because it's round, and as if WE were grains of sand, we should fall off too, well hate to tell you buddy unless you have come up with a BETTER explanation other then your stupid excuses on your probably satanic 'bible' the reason the grains fall off is because the earths gravity is stronger then the rubber ball. The reason I brought them up is because you say they are pretty much basically right, so then that probably destroys about half of your theory and the top is the next quarter.
And if you think that god will not forgive for our ignorance, then why did his
one our sins, our ignorance?
VERSE from John 3:16
the verse being
"For god so loved the WORLD that he gave his one and only begotten son for whoever believes in HIM will not perish, but have everlasting life in him."
This states that God loves the whole world equally, not just America, and living for Him will get us to heaven, not by believing in your so stupid idea of repentance.
That is another eighth of your plan DESTROYED.
Thus, there is only an eighth left.
BASEBALL?! good god man you were dedsperate enough to have THAT for a REASON, were you drunk?! Okay, japanese love baseball, americans love baseball, mexicans love baseball, and FOOTBALL is what we get drunk over. I would say you were drunk off your rocker and you too also made a metaphor out of when somebody pointed out in Isaiah 40:22 that he said circle, you are a self absorbed hypocrit, who really needs some prozac, and maybe... just help in general.
So do not pray for what ever the hell you think is wrong with my soul, I'm praying for your sanity.
Your completely awesome, sane, nice, honest, smart, everything your not,
Xxxxxx the destroyer of morons And Xxxxx
the four corners of the earth basically mean EVERYONE not just america and baseball and america weren't real.
I would say the score boards now read, you -10 us... you just lost.
[Editor's note: Good, perfectly sane, and honest people are going to hell ... if they don't toe the line and believe what God requires them to believe.]
Subject: It's A Square World
I have read with interest some of the correspondence on your website. Oh what a load of rubbish some people spout. It is a square world of that there can be no doubt and all power to you for sticking to your guns. Why one only has to look at the revered institution the BBC to discover that back as far as the 1960's they were showing a television programme entitled "It's A Square World". If it's good enough for the BBC, then it's good enough for me. In this cock-eyed existence clinging to a misguided belief that the world could be round and smooth is just mad.
Sir, whilst I can agree with your sentiments on the shape of the world (for they are obviously correct to all except those who are too stupid to see the truth). I cannot under any circumstances agree with your view that Americans are God's chosen people.
This is utter balderdash.
It is, and has been for many, many hundreds of years clear that the British are the true chosen people. A fact born out in what we (The British) have done for most of the known world:
Taught it English*
Taught it how to trade
Made it worthy
Without British influence, ingenuity, greatness, support & compassion.
Most of the world would be...
Full of uneducated, uncivilised, unwashed, barbaric heathens.
* Except the Americans who still haven't mastered it.
So if you would kindly (and gentlemanly) refrain from suggesting that a mere colony of The British Empire could be anything but lesser men. Then I shall be glad to extend to you my wholehearted support.
[Editor's note: I wouldn't call the BBC a "revered" institution; they are more secular than most broadcasting companies in America. I must also take exception to your notion that the British "discovered" most of the known world, when it was the Spanish and Italians who stumbled upon what round-earthers call the Western Hemisphere. (Although, frankly, I'm amazed that Ferdinand Magellan was able to put together an entire crew who were willing to scam their government into believing they'd sailed "around the world". You'd think one of them would have spilled the beans about whatever it was they really did on that trip.)]
You are an interesting dude, saw your post on the Evolution Article on Cincinnati.com. Then I went to your website, got to hand it to you, that is some interesting (and funny) stuff on square earth. You are great at coming up with logic for sure. So here I was all this time, believing the Bible is real and that God and Jesus are real too, and you go and prove to me how wrong I am because the earth is described as square! What will I do now? Since I am not as smart as you, I will just keep on believing! I hope you appreciate sarcasm. Seriously, though Revelations is being misquoted a bit, I believe. The author was in a dream like state (not asleep) and getting "revelations" from God which were similar to God's omniscience - meaning that seeing all edges of a round earth at the same time would not be a problem. Also, it would not be uncommon to talk about the four corners of the earth then or now, even though we know it is round. Check out this verse, didn't see it on your website.
"It is he that sitteth upon the CIRCLE* of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in." --Isaiah 40:22
*Circle=Hebrew "chuwg",meaning "sphere"
So I take it from your writing that you donít believe in God or the Bible. I imagine, just quickly looking at your webpage, that you believe that intelligence and logic cannot allow for a Creator as described by the Bible. You remind me of a guy I know who couldnít believe in God because there is no way Noah could have existed with his ark and his big flood and 2 of every animal on a boat. I will say the same thing to you that I said to him Ė are you willing to bank that your life will result in a pile of bones in a box in the ground because you canít reconcile the Noah storyÖÖ or in your case, square earth? You are banking a lot on your square earth theory, arent' you? Not sure if you even care to be challenged on your beliefs, but if you doÖ..read on!
First of all, I could argue for why Noah could be real and why much of the Old Testament is real, but I canít scientifically prove it all. Why? Because the Bible wasnít written to ďproveĒ anything. It was NOT written to confirm science. It was written to help us get through this life and get to heaven (oh, I know, a big scary concept of afterlife that requires faith). Our limited perspective into things such as Creation and dinosaurs and floods isnít really an entire picture, is it? We discover things every year that seem to prove the Bible and other things that seem to disprove it Ė I could give many examples of cities and names of kings that seem to be misplaced in the Bible only for archaeologists to find out that there was such a place and such a king. So what do you do, wait until all the science gets worked out and then, maybe change your mind, and believe in God? Little secret for you, IT WILL NEVER BE WORKED OUT. God (and the devil, I know another mythical creature to you) wonít let it get worked out until the end times, more on why later.
So let me ask you, do you really believe that you are no different than an aunt Ė do some work, help the cause, and then die? Ashes to ashes, dust to dust? Hereís one for you, I assume you love somebody. Do you believe that the love you have inside you for others (family, friends, etc.) is just a coincidence of evolution? Seriously? I believe we were ďdesignedĒ by a Creator who wired that love into us as a reflection of who He/She is, I canít believe that LOVE is cauased by an evolved chemical reaction. Stop and think about that. Look, I have a really high IQ (99 percentile last checked) who, at one time, didnít like the idea of depending on (or submitting to) a Creator either, especially when he didnít give me the logic to get all of the answers figured out in my head. But I had to ask myself, is this God / Jesus stuff possibly real? I now know it is real in my heart and in my soul, but at the time, I wanted something concrete. You seem like the type of guy that would like a good book. Check out the "Case for Christ" and "Letters from a Skeptic". If you think you are a smart dude, read these two books and realize that there are some smarter dudes out there (scholars even) who are beating these issues up.
So here is what I think about God. First off, God is not equal to manmade religion. They are two different things. Any time manmade religion develops a theory about the Bible that isnít proven by the Bible, it isnít of God but of man. George Carlin, the comedian, said religion is BS. While I donít 100% agree with him, he is close. If religion helps you get closer to God and learn more, great. If not, do away with it, it can only get in the way of knowing God.
So, back to the logic issue - why doesnít God just come down out of the clouds and prove that Ö.. well, he is God or why doesnít he just write the Bible (or dictate it to man) in a way that proves it once and for all? Here is why. The Bible says that God created us with Free Will which is key, it is the ultimate expression of his love. Creating us to ONLY follow him or proving himself to us by coming down out of the sky, well that really isn't free will at all - we would just follow him out of fear, etc. We wouldn't make a decisions at all, would we? So here it is - If the Bible proved itself, it would defeat Godís purpose, to offer us free will. Now you are thinking ďdarn, the Bible has a built in defense mechanism. You canít question itís motives otherwise it would defeat its purposeĒ. Yeah, I know. That part is tough and canít be swallowed in one bight. But think about this paragraph a bit.
Man, there is so much more that I have learned and I am not one to try to "recruit' others so I am not good at this, but all that I am saying is this - Church is not the answer (although if you find the right one it can lead you to the answers you need). Donít say because the Bible isnít a science book that it is wrong Ė or you can, but you are banking a heck of a lot (see bones in a box) on that THEORY!
Hey, you have any interest in a rebuttal, please be my guest, always glad to talk to intelligent people.
Happy MLK Day
[Editor's note: Let me get this straight. You claim you didn't see Isaiah 40:22 on the website? Did you even read the website?]
Dear Mr. Wilcox,
Thank you so much for presenting the True Cosmology. I am a Catholic, an
artist, and a museum curator in Boston and am very interested in the map
produced by Orlando Ferguson which brought me to your site through a
Google search of flat-earth maps. I would be interested in reproducing
it and/or procuring a copy.
I also have a question for you. Do you have any knowledge on the
historical Catholic Church position upon the true cosmology. (Besides
its age-long preservation of the only authentic scripture: the Latin
Vulgate.) Thank you again for all your work. I look forward to hearing
from you soon.
[Editor's note: I have two images of the Orlando Ferguson map: this one, and this bigger one sent to me by astute reader Don Homuth. I hesitate to show these images directly on this page, because a casual reader might conclude that we at the International Square Earth Society actually support his interpretation — despite the clear and obvious error that the four corners shown in that picture are not at the compass points. The historical Catholic position on the structure of the universe was the Aristotelian model, which had a spherical Earth surrounded by shells of perfectly hard, perfectly transparent æther containing the sun, moon, planets, and stars. Yet more proof that those rosary-twirling wafer-gobbling pope worshippers were nothing but a Satanic plot to befuddle True Christians.]
Sorry I haven't got back to you earlier.
Been too busy slagging off the Creationists.
They did reply to my query regarding the age of the universe using distant galaxies as proof (see 24 june 2007) by claiming that the laws of pyshics must have been different back then i.e speed of light much greater etc.
After I replied with the attached letter they wouldn't talk to me anymore (sad now)
Also it appears they have stopped using this as a way of proving a young cosmos
P.s I don't know which is funnier, your pisstake on the Square Earth concept.
Or the way people who should know better get so upset about it.
Regards, The Badger
Cynics' sanctuary: Delusions are often functional. For instance, a mother's opinions about her children's beauty, intelligence, goodness, et cetera ad nauseam, keep her from drowning them at birth.
[Editor's note: The attached letter (s)he refers to contained discussions of Big Bang cosmology, the cosmic microwave background, the scientific method, et cetera. Such a missive could only have been written by Satan, so I burned it. I had to print out a copy before I could burn it, of course, but that's the price you pay for vigilance.]
dear square earth dude,
the scriptures you quoted have been interpreted to your liking, you quoted several about an unmoving earth. For all you know they were talkin about an unmoving faith throughout the earth. i don't have time to say any more but if you would like to explain to me how all this works i would be happy to hear it.
[Editor's note: In Joshua 10:12-13, Joshua requested that the sun and moon stand still in the sky, and they did. If the Earth were really a rotating sphere, this sudden halt to its rotation would have caused everything on its surface to go careening eastward at several hundred miles per hour. This would have killed the Israelites; the fact that the Israelites went on to write 33 more Old Testament books after Joshua means that the "moving Earth" model must be wrong.]
Man... I wish I had the time to counter your arguments.
All I can suggest is to take two classes:
1. Elementary logic
2. Critical thinking
Good luck to ya.
[Editor's note: By "elementary logic," do you mean symbolic logic? Admittedly, the rules for the elimination of material conditional expressions during the simplification process for verification of soundness-and-completeness did take a little getting used to. As to critical thinking, well, I am always critical of thinking.]
Subject: flat earth
thank you sir for this great illuminating research on the shape of our earth . its very hard for anyone going through the public educational system and avoid being tricked by satan into thinking we live on a spherical planet... I could have ended up burning in hell for eternity if it was not of you. can I send you all my money to show how grateful I am?
[Editor's note: There may be tax consequences. Better not risk it.]
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